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Numptyphysics is shown here: http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~koen/narcissus/ Seems to be supported already - Didn't test it yet though

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The last Carrier Instant Messenger SVN change was 2 month ago, do we really need that? Isn't Pidgin enough? We should have some sort of priority system because I have the feeling that some games and apps are just added here to have a bigger list - no matter what quality the entries are. Personally I know a lot of people who use Pidgin, no-one seems to have used Carrier yet. --JayFoxRox

Well, I use Carrier. It was created because Pidgin had( has) an annoying feature that the developers in charge refused to make optional. They generally keep up with Pidgin versions, although it's one version behind at the moment. As I understand it, this is basically a list of portable apps that are wanted by at least one person from the Pandora community. It would be problematic making a "priority system". The point, I think, is for the devs to just scroll around and see if there's anything that they'd like to port. I guess one way to make a "priority system" is to have some kind of voting or something... in which case, a developer can choose some apps from here and start a poll on the GP32X forums to see which is most popular. Esn 09:17, 27 May 2009 (CEST)

P.S. You can sign your name and date with four tildes at the end of your message ~ ~ ~ ~ (but without spaces). Esn 09:20, 27 May 2009 (CEST)

Does anyone know why GemRB was removed? Esn 05:29, 7 June 2009 (CEST)

Just had a poke around, turns out GemRB is now a WIP courtesy of Adventus. ;-) We need to (somehow) encourage people to use the Summary box when making changes! Gruso 23:27, 7 June 2009 (CEST)

I added a bunch of stuff to the list, I hope it can be interesting to some people. But it's a pain to order the list alphabetically, any form of automatize the proccess? Timofonic 19:43, 2 January 2010 (MET)

You could enter everything in willy-nilly and sort by the name column, but that would make it really difficult for editors to find something, as well as looking messy for anyone who doesn't click on the little square above the column. Best to leave it as is, I think. Esn 15:13, 5 July 2010 (MEST)

Why were almost all emulators replaced with MESS?

This edit seems odd to me. Does MESS really do the best job at emulating ALL of those systems? Won't some emulators run quicker on a system with limited resources such as the Pandora? Esn 08:34, 19 September 2010 (MEST) Maplesugarlover(sorry for date being off) well some emulators were for systems we already had like nes and such. Then there were obscure Japanese emulators that only ran on windows. Then there was a mainframe emulator.There were also calculator emulators and those are covered by mess. Really mess covers many systems and it could still run faster. There are still things like using the neon to speed up sdl that evildragon hasn't implemented yet.

Game engines

I don't get why they were all deleted. If they had no right being here, why had they stayed up so long with no objections from anyone?

Maybe you're right, but I'd like to hear what others think. Also, who says that the list is only for "things that can be a PND"? Esn 04:09, 3 November 2010 (MET)

Game engine can be put in a PND. GemRB is a game engine allowing to play 4 games and is in a PND... This should stay here IMHO --Sebt3 01:17, 4 November 2010 (MET)

Objection

I'm sorry for removing some of your useful edits with this, but you keep removing stuff that I object to removing even after I have repeatedly stated my reasons, and providing no justification. Please remember that this is a wiki, not your personal site, and many people have added things here that YOU may not think need to be ported, but that doesn't matter, because THEY do, and if you think you know better than them, you're going to at least have to provide your reasons and convince others that you're right. Otherwise, we're just going to have edit wars and this will get ugly fast. Esn 00:56, 4 November 2010 (MET) Maplesugarlover 15:20, 6 November 2010(date's off)i'll add engines back

Thank you for adding remarks back, also. Esn 03:35, 4 November 2010 (MET)

I undid the Nov. 23 edit because 1) I don't understand why an addressbook is unneeded. 2) KToon has features that Pencil does not, and vice versa. Just because a program is in the same category certainly doesn't mean that it can do all the same things! Esn 05:04, 25 November 2010 (MET)

Also, just in general, you have a tendency of removing programs in the same category if there's another program that you like better. What's the point? Isn't that like saying there's no point of porting Chrome if Firefox is already ported, for example? Everybody has their own preferences. Programs always have some feature differences, and for some people feature X is more important, while for someone else feature Y.

For example, look here, and you'll see that Frostwire/LimeWire (which you replaced with gtk-gnutella) actually has more features. Esn 05:19, 25 November 2010 (MET)

I removed rubrica as I thought it made more sense to do things on an app by app basis . Like having email contacts in email and im stuff in pidgin and birthdays in a calender rather than having a central app,that does it. I thought on a system like the pandora it made sense to have gtk-gnutella rather than frostwire as frostwire is way slower and do you really need chat in gnutella. Also it does bittorent but we have transmission already. Hey, I'll do what you say. I just wish more stuff got ported.Maplesugarlover 18:24, 25 November 2010 (MET)

Hey, you may be right - I'm just figuring that maybe if someone added something, they had a good idea for wanting it instead of another thing. This would actually be a perfect thing to mention in the "remarks" section; if gtk-gnutella would be faster, say that in the remarks so that it might influence coders who're deciding which one of them to port. Esn 22:04, 25 November 2010 (MET)

Remote Administration

In this video Remmina seems to work good. Does PuTTY have some big feature that Remmina doesn't ? could PuTTY be removed? Maplesugarlover 02:35, 26 November 2010 (MET)

I'm not sure, as I don't use either. I've found a list of features of PuTTY here and Remmina here. It seems to have some differences. But again, I don't use either program. Esn 03:37, 26 November 2010 (MET)

PuTTY is for tty connections, like ssh, telnet, serial ports, etc. Remmina seems to be primarily for graphical remote administration. I use PuTTY on Windows, but it's less useful on Linux since there are usually programs for ssh and telnet preinstalled already (even on the Pandora, I think) and you can do serial port stuff with minicom (available through opkg). --Cheese 07:43, 9 December 2010 (MET)

Dead projects

I looked at the Kolourpaint website and the project appears to be dead. No updates since 2007 and on source forge it says This is currently abandonware. In a case like this what should I do ? There really aren't any close replacements. The best I could find was GrafX2 Maplesugarlover 03:14, 27 November 2010 (MET)

Why does it matter if it's recently updated or not? If it's a working program... I mean, lots of games are now "dead" as in no longer updated - doesn't mean they're bad games. Esn 07:44, 27 November 2010 (MET)

Good point. There are no longer updated games so it doesn't make sense to delete an no longer updated app Maplesugarlover 15:44, 27 November 2010 (MET)

Duplication

Stuff that could be removed

keepass-Figaro's Password Manager 2 has been ported

frostwire-we just need a gnutella client so gtk-gnutella is a better fit

glom- libre office has a good database

tuxpaint-mt paint is easy to use

Just making a list as if I removed stuff it might cause an edit war.Maplesugarlover 01:19, 9 December 2010 (MET)

Thanks. Could you also add your reasons next to each one, for future reference? I've already voiced my disapproval about Ktoon, as it has a different focus than Pencil, and many features that Pencil does not. Tweening is a major one. (another question is whether its resolution is simply too high for the Pandora - a port will probably require major user interface changes, so it may not be suitable for those reasons). Esn 11:32, 14 December 2010 (MET)

Added reasons Maplesugarlover 21:38, 14 December 2010 (MET)

Moving "unreleased software" here

Replying to Maplesugarlover; you asked me: On the games,software projects and emulator lists there is alot of "Unreleased" stuff. Could the open source projects be moved to port requests? I'm not sure what to do with the proprietary ones like caster or homebrew ones like Onee-sama Tasukete!

The "unreleased projects" lists are meant to show games/software on which some progress had already been done by someone, and which might be already being worked on. I think some of them that look like they might have been abandoned (because of lack of progress for a long time) can be duplicated over here (rather than moved), and there should be a note added on their entries on this page saying that they were already being worked on before. Just so that anyone who wants to pick them up can check with the original developer first, because some of them might still be working on them. Esn 01:10, 18 January 2011 (MET)

Exactly what I was trying to say , so are you going to add stuff or should I do that myself?maplesugarlover 01:19, 18 January 2011 (MET)

Well, you seem to be doing a good job in charge of this page, so I'll leave that to you. ;) I mostly stick to adding the port requests that I want personally, or I know someone else specifically asked for. By the way, if you're not sure if a project is still active, you can send a PM to some of the developers and ask if they're still working on it; some of them might reply. Esn 01:23, 18 January 2011 (MET)

ok, I'l try to do it tonightmaplesugarlover 01:25, 18 January 2011 (MET)

Port Requests:Games

Say, what's that page for? Seems to have been created last February... Esn 01:03, 21 January 2011 (MET)

esn , are you admin yet? That page is like an outdated snapshot of port requests. Delete it asap, so we don't have 2 pages for port requests maplesugarlover 01:15, 21 January 2011 (MET)

Nope... I would if I could. There are three admins here, though two of them haven't been seen for over a year, and the remaining one (EvilDragon) is too busy to do much. Esn 20:58, 21 January 2011 (MET)

maplesugarlover 21:22, 21 January 2011 (MET) Well, that sucks. When Evildragon is not busy, he should make you an admin : )

Ok, I redirected the old page to point here, but I also moved over some of the comments from that page to this one (I guess you deleted them at some point in the past, but I think that a lot of them are useful, and they can be hidden anyway so that they don't make the list look ugly). Esn 21:28, 21 January 2011 (MET)

I'm ok with comments as long as they get hidden if they don't fit in a line maplesugarlover 21:36, 21 January 2011 (MET)

Hey, just wondering what is wrong with HideableNotes? Seems to me like a good way of including extra info without cluttering up the list. By the way, lots of comments currently don't fit in a line - if you're using a screen 800 pixels wide. Did you mean 2 lines? Esn 20:43, 22 January 2011 (MET)

oops, I'm editing on a 1280 by 800 screen. Never thought to make the pandora wiki readable on the pandora. Sorry and is it that unreadable on the pandora? maplesugarlover 03:20, 23 January 2011 (MET)

"Not Possible" Section?

I think we should have a section on the page (or perhaps an entirely different page) dedicated to software that can NOT run on the Pandora, for various reasons. Maybe they don't use open-source libraries, too hardware intensive, God knows. Of course, the reason would be listed. -User:Blue Protoman

Hi, please remember to sign your comment with 4 tildes next time (instructions at the top of this page). There already is such a page, actually: Will X run on the Pandora? Esn 20:43, 22 January 2011 (MET)

I was just about to point that out. The wiki could use organization of pages(hard to find something unless you know exactly what it is)maplesugarlover 20:46, 22 January 2011 (MET)

Well, the simplest thing would be to link to that page at the introduction to this one. Esn 20:48, 22 January 2011 (MET)

I meant that it took me a while to find it because I couldn't remember the title. I remembered Skype was on it so I searched Skype and I found it. I was about to post but I realized you already had maplesugarlover 20:52, 22 January 2011 (MET)

I'll add a link to the page, then. Thanks for the heads up.-User:Blue Protoman

Add columns for GLES, Other Platforms (win,arm,linux) , etc?

I think it would be easier to find what to port next if there is a column like this.

so would that be columns for "dependencies" and another one for "platforms with ports" ? maplesugarlover 19:46, 15 February 2011 (MET)

Goals for this page

Hi there, I'm currently not sure, what the goal for this page should be.

1. Should it attrac coders to work on the listed stuff?
2. Should users see what's not running?

But there are problems for this usecases

1. For that there is no chronological ordering, no way to add further notes (e.g. current state, whats missing,...)
2. For that there is no definite answer if or why not a software is supported, no links to discussion and no remark how this is related to the list on the pandora forums.
   There is even no clear seperazion to Software projects#Unreleased Software.

From my nearly external view, I would recommend to spread the content on the following pages

• Software - all software known to work. Games and Apps in 2 Lists
• Software requests - if people lurking for a port, in chronologic ordering and with working space for the devs
• Software wip - work in progress
• Software unsupported - all the software that couldn't be ported for some reasons

--ABC 17:47, 27 April 2011 (MEST)

I don't understand what you're getting at but the remarks column is for adding notes maplesugarlover 05:09, 28 April 2011 (MEST)

Sure but as you see some add hints to the coders, some coders say whats wrong but all in all a coder can't pick a job quickly out of the list? --ABC

Okay, Maplesugarlover, coming to the rescue. ;) The goal of this page is #1, bingo. It's for do-able port requests that someone wants that might get picked up by a developer. Sometimes developers come here to get ideas.

Released software and WIP software are already covered in the three released/WIP software lists: software projects, emulator list and games (granted, the WIP list isn't organized in "software projects" as well as I'd like, but that's because I want to do it carefully and haven't had time to work on it yet). The reasons for this system were hashed out in various discussions over the past year mostly between myself, Maplesugarlover, Cheese and Blue Protoman. Basically, there are three articles because those are the three major Pandora software categories which each require a different table structure, and the WIP are listed at the bottom because that makes editing easier for maintainers while having no negative consequences for the reader.

Chronological ordering is not needed for port requests, and any information can be put into the "notes/remarks" section. I personally think that a coder can pick something very quickly out of the list as it is currently organized. Did you have something specific in mind?

As for the "improbable" section, that was transferred over by Maplesugarlover from the newbie-oriented Will X run on the Pandora? article. I was against it when it was done, because of the basic problem of the open-ended mandate - there are countless things that won't run on the Pandora, so how can you maintain such a thing? It's okay when it's in a simple article meant for newbies that just answers some of their more common questions about whether "Windows" or a "PS2 emulator" will run, but go further than that and I'm not sure what the point is... basically, we were discussing it on the talk page and I was waiting for Blue Protoman's opinion, but he seems to be taking a short sabbatical.

Anyway, I do think that at least the two major sections ("possible" and "improbable") should be separated, so that it's made clear that "improbable" has a different mandate than the rest of the article. I'm going to do that right now, actually, since I think it would help avoid the confusion that you fell victim to. Esn 09:42, 29 April 2011 (MEST)

Ok I see you already spend some time to create the things as it be. Well I suggest to rename the pages as pointed out above. This allows good autocomplete and keeps the articles focused on exactly one topic. Would this be fine to you? --ABC 10:35, 29 April 2011 (MEST)

I don't understand, how are you proposing to rename them? If you mean moving all three software lists into a single article, and separating the unreleased/WIP games into a separate article, then I'm against that... it's worse for readers and harder for editors. I think "good autocomplete" in the search box matters very little, to be honest - the important thing is for articles to be connected so that what you're looking for is easy to find from a related topic, and I think that is the case already. All of the related articles mention each other in their introductions. Esn 02:34, 30 April 2011 (MEST)

Gigalomania

Hi, I'm the author of Gigalomania - I just wanted to point out that it no longer uses FMOD (which, being closed source, is listed as being a problem), but instead uses SDL_mixer. Also it no longer uses the original data files, but comes with its own (so it's more a game in itself now rather than a game engine). (It's still a work in progress - some of the graphics are rubbish placeholders, but at least it runs on its own now :)). I've also improved the support for Debian now, if that helps (easy to create .deb installer files).

Please let me know if you want any more info on it. Mdwh 14:26, 1 January 2012 (CET)

Gigalomania is now ported to Pandora! See http://repo.openpandora.org/?page=detail&app=gigalomania_ptitseb Mdwh (talk) 00:21, 5 June 2013 (CEST)

Marking instead of removal or ported games entries

As ptitseb already started, for tracking purposes it is an good idea to mark (colorcoded) ported games instead of removing them. Also, this list could be reused for the Pyra, could be done by extending the table by a new Pyra column. Shaddim (talk) 12:07, 10 July 2016 (CEST)