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== Marked for deletion ==
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It's not because it's not updated that it's not usefull. INstead of deleting all the work done before, why not just UPDATE stuff ?
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([[User:Sebt3|Sebt3]] ([[User talk:Sebt3|talk]]) 18:05, 3 April 2014 (CEST))
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Yeah, no need to delete.--[[User:Linux-SWAT|Linux-SWAT]] ([[User talk:Linux-SWAT|talk]]) 18:37, 11 April 2014 (CEST)
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== split into ports and original games ==
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I think the games should be split into ports and original games. Of course, this might sometimes be hard to decide, for example with Wizzley Presto, which is a new original game but could also be called a port from the iPhone version... [[User:OrR|OrR]]
 
I think the games should be split into ports and original games. Of course, this might sometimes be hard to decide, for example with Wizzley Presto, which is a new original game but could also be called a port from the iPhone version... [[User:OrR|OrR]]
  
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== "Where in world is... " ==
 
== "Where in world is... " ==
  
There is an entry under Games named "Where in world is... " which just links back to a Polish blog and doesn't appear to be a real game/application. Can anyone confirm this is a genuine entry?
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There is an entry under Games named "Where in world is... " which just links back to a Polish blog and doesn't appear to be a real game/application. Can anyone confirm this is a genuine entry? [[User:Enverex|Enverex]] 23:30, 8 August 2009 (MEST)
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I am pretty sure "Wandor" and "warioland-inspired game" are the same--[[User:Kuru|Kuru]] 12:02, 6 March 2010 (MET)
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== Stuff that should be removed from "Other programs"==
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I don't see any reason to list the programs that are already included with the Pandora or those already in the Angstrom repo. I guess that list hasn't been updated since after the pandora started shipping. --[[User:Cheese|Cheese]] 04:28, 23 June 2010 (MEST)
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Agree - this page should be for holding info on active developments, as a reference for when someone is looking for a program for a certain function. I like the move of games/emus to independant pages. Might be worth using the 'category' feature to tie together all individual dev/released project pages as they grow too. --[[User:Tsh|Tsh]] 12:51, 23 June 2010 (MEST)
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== Combining released and in development stuff. ==
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This page was great before the pandora was out, but now that it is I don't think it makes sense to look in two different places for what's released and what's in development. That's why I have moved the in development games and emulator lists to their own pages (those pages include released games and emulators). Now when something goes from in development to released, it's a simple matter of moving the game up to the released list rather than to another page.
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--[[User:Cheese|Cheese]] 05:10, 23 June 2010 (MEST)
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:I agree, and I think it's time to do the same thing for this page as well. I'm working on it. [[User:Esn|Esn]] 06:56, 5 July 2010 (MEST)
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:Ok, it's done. I started a thread on the forums [http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/55047-pandora-wiki-list-of-everything-except-games-emulators/ over here] for discussion, though of course someone could say something over here as well. [[User:Esn|Esn]] 08:14, 5 July 2010 (MEST)
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== Angstrom Linux OS ==
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Arn't we using a moddifed version of that? Why would that be uncomplete?
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:Because the list was out of date, I just removed it --[[User:Cheese|Cheese]] 23:07, 8 July 2010 (MEST)
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==Minimenu skins==
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I think this (http://pandorawiki.org/Software_projects#Skins) should be either moved to an entirely different page (like a page for minimenu, which could be used for other stuff, too - like tracking beta versions) or at least below the Operating systems category, does not really make sense to mention the skins before mentioning the actual program they are used with. Also I feel like skins don't really fall into the category of "software" so I would favour the first approach. [[User:Foxblock|Foxblock]] 15:43, 16 April 2011 (MEST)
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:Full ack, I would suggest to put it on [[Minimenu skins]], any cons? --[[User:ABC|ABC]] 10:55, 27 April 2011 (MEST)
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:There's a high probability that it would not just be Minimenu skins in the future. Right now, although it's not software, it's software related so I think it does count as a "software project". There aren't really that many of them right now anyway, so I don't think it does anything bad for this page; if there get to be a lot more, I think it would make sense to move them to a "Skins" article. [[User:Esn|Esn]] 08:52, 29 April 2011 (MEST)
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== Switch to a template ==
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Hi, I created a template that creates the same table [[User:ABC/playground]] but has some pros (in my oppinion):
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* easy to edit, cause people see what they change esp. if not familar with wiki table syntax
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* could be crawled by bots later
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* seperates content from it's representation
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* alter/extend representation at any time without any troubles
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Would it be ok for you if I change all tables in that kind? --[[User:ABC|ABC]] 19:29, 26 April 2011 (MEST)
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:This actually seems ''harder'' to edit to me, because you have to copy+paste a template every single time, instead of being just adding a line. Seems a lot more cumbersome. I don't understand the last two points, could you explain those a bit more? [[User:Esn|Esn]] 03:06, 27 April 2011 (MEST)
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::Sure, as said this template encapsules the information of a single software. It's up to us, to change the viusalisation of this information completely just by changing the single template e.g to switch to a more complex design, that depends on the entered values, to change column order etc... . In past a lot of people liked it, when the tables grow more and more see [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Maps] or even distribute it using a bot [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Software/Desktop]. But again this is just a suggestion and I would be willing to do the work --[[User:ABC|ABC]] 10:37, 27 April 2011 (MEST)
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== Rediculously unmaintainable ==
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This concept is rediculously unmaintainable and ''needs to be removed''.  This page admits right away that it's taking information from [http://apps.open-pandora.org/cgi-bin/viewarea.pl?Games Pandora Apps], the [http://dl.openhandhelds.org/cgi-bin/pandora.cgi?0,0,0,0,9 File Archive], the [http://repo.openpandora.org/?page=all&s=new Repo].  ''Don't do that!''  If those listings need to be improved, then ''improve those listings'', don't duplicate the effort here.
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The only justification for adding software-related information here is when a program does not have a home page, or if a program needs and doesn't have a Pandora-specific home page.  Small software projects noted on the forum come to mind. &mdash; [[Image:Spiralofhope-logo-016.png]] [[User:Spiralofhope|spiralofhope]] / <sup>[[User_Talk:Spiralofhope|(talk)]]</sup> 17:48, 9 May 2012 (CEST)
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== xubuntu ==
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* Xubuntu[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOPNurKei0I]
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dumping it here &mdash; [[Image:Spiralofhope-logo-016.png]] [[User:Spiralofhope|spiralofhope]] / <sup>[[User_Talk:Spiralofhope|(talk)]]</sup> 00:50, 11 May 2012 (CEST)
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== Including or excluding development apps? ==
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"However, this list does include the development apps that can be used
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on the Pandora itself."
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does --> does not  -- ?

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It's not because it's not updated that it's not usefull. INstead of deleting all the work done before, why not just UPDATE stuff ? (Sebt3 (talk) 18:05, 3 April 2014 (CEST))

Yeah, no need to delete.--Linux-SWAT (talk) 18:37, 11 April 2014 (CEST)

split into ports and original games

I think the games should be split into ports and original games. Of course, this might sometimes be hard to decide, for example with Wizzley Presto, which is a new original game but could also be called a port from the iPhone version... OrR

I think that's a good idea. But I got stuck on that same blurred line while planning a blog feature for homebrew games. Wizzley Presto is one, also GP2X games like Pool Panic and Battle Jewels. For my purposes (being to showcase our scene's own work) I decided that these games should fall under originals, because (i) it's all talent from within our scene, and (ii) the original authors are doing the porting. I don't know if we can apply such subjective rules to wiki categories though. Gruso

How about 3 categories:

  • ports of classic games
  • ports from other platforms
  • original Pandora games

OrR

Then I propose not splitting the list, but simply adding another column onto the end and marking each game "classic", "original", etc.. That way, if anyone wants to, he can "sort" the table into the correct categories.
On an unrelated note, I can't seem to figure out where to put GemRB. It doesn't seem to be a "game" as such, but a game engine port. But should it go into "emulators" along with ScummVM? Esn 00:17, 10 June 2009 (CEST)

"Where in world is... "

There is an entry under Games named "Where in world is... " which just links back to a Polish blog and doesn't appear to be a real game/application. Can anyone confirm this is a genuine entry? Enverex 23:30, 8 August 2009 (MEST)

I am pretty sure "Wandor" and "warioland-inspired game" are the same--Kuru 12:02, 6 March 2010 (MET)

Stuff that should be removed from "Other programs"

I don't see any reason to list the programs that are already included with the Pandora or those already in the Angstrom repo. I guess that list hasn't been updated since after the pandora started shipping. --Cheese 04:28, 23 June 2010 (MEST)

Agree - this page should be for holding info on active developments, as a reference for when someone is looking for a program for a certain function. I like the move of games/emus to independant pages. Might be worth using the 'category' feature to tie together all individual dev/released project pages as they grow too. --Tsh 12:51, 23 June 2010 (MEST)

Combining released and in development stuff.

This page was great before the pandora was out, but now that it is I don't think it makes sense to look in two different places for what's released and what's in development. That's why I have moved the in development games and emulator lists to their own pages (those pages include released games and emulators). Now when something goes from in development to released, it's a simple matter of moving the game up to the released list rather than to another page. --Cheese 05:10, 23 June 2010 (MEST)

I agree, and I think it's time to do the same thing for this page as well. I'm working on it. Esn 06:56, 5 July 2010 (MEST)
Ok, it's done. I started a thread on the forums over here for discussion, though of course someone could say something over here as well. Esn 08:14, 5 July 2010 (MEST)

Angstrom Linux OS

Arn't we using a moddifed version of that? Why would that be uncomplete?

Because the list was out of date, I just removed it --Cheese 23:07, 8 July 2010 (MEST)

Minimenu skins

I think this (http://pandorawiki.org/Software_projects#Skins) should be either moved to an entirely different page (like a page for minimenu, which could be used for other stuff, too - like tracking beta versions) or at least below the Operating systems category, does not really make sense to mention the skins before mentioning the actual program they are used with. Also I feel like skins don't really fall into the category of "software" so I would favour the first approach. Foxblock 15:43, 16 April 2011 (MEST)

Full ack, I would suggest to put it on Minimenu skins, any cons? --ABC 10:55, 27 April 2011 (MEST)
There's a high probability that it would not just be Minimenu skins in the future. Right now, although it's not software, it's software related so I think it does count as a "software project". There aren't really that many of them right now anyway, so I don't think it does anything bad for this page; if there get to be a lot more, I think it would make sense to move them to a "Skins" article. Esn 08:52, 29 April 2011 (MEST)

Switch to a template

Hi, I created a template that creates the same table User:ABC/playground but has some pros (in my oppinion):

  • easy to edit, cause people see what they change esp. if not familar with wiki table syntax
  • could be crawled by bots later
  • seperates content from it's representation
  • alter/extend representation at any time without any troubles

Would it be ok for you if I change all tables in that kind? --ABC 19:29, 26 April 2011 (MEST)

This actually seems harder to edit to me, because you have to copy+paste a template every single time, instead of being just adding a line. Seems a lot more cumbersome. I don't understand the last two points, could you explain those a bit more? Esn 03:06, 27 April 2011 (MEST)
Sure, as said this template encapsules the information of a single software. It's up to us, to change the viusalisation of this information completely just by changing the single template e.g to switch to a more complex design, that depends on the entered values, to change column order etc... . In past a lot of people liked it, when the tables grow more and more see [1] or even distribute it using a bot [2]. But again this is just a suggestion and I would be willing to do the work --ABC 10:37, 27 April 2011 (MEST)

Rediculously unmaintainable

This concept is rediculously unmaintainable and needs to be removed. This page admits right away that it's taking information from Pandora Apps, the File Archive, the Repo. Don't do that! If those listings need to be improved, then improve those listings, don't duplicate the effort here.

The only justification for adding software-related information here is when a program does not have a home page, or if a program needs and doesn't have a Pandora-specific home page. Small software projects noted on the forum come to mind. — Spiralofhope-logo-016.png spiralofhope / (talk) 17:48, 9 May 2012 (CEST)

xubuntu

dumping it here — Spiralofhope-logo-016.png spiralofhope / (talk) 00:50, 11 May 2012 (CEST)

Including or excluding development apps?

"However, this list does include the development apps that can be used on the Pandora itself."

does --> does not -- ?

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